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Menachot 9a (ט.) — the Talmud in English
Menachot 9a (מנחות ט.): The verse states “In the Holy of Holies you shall eat it” [The verse is speaking of eating offerings of the most sacred order, as it states at its beginning: “for all their…
Original text — Menachot 9a (ט.)
תלמוד לומר
"בקדש הקדשים תאכלנו"
[ומדבר הפסוק באכילת קדשי קדשים, שכתוב בתחלתו "לכל חטאתם ולכל אשמם"] ומשמע דהכוונה להיכל, דאם הכונה לעזרה הרי כתוב במפורש, "בחצר אהל מועד יאכלוה"
25 .
ו
אם איתא לסברא זו דלא יהא טפל חמור מעיקר,
הא למה לי קרא
ללמוד אכילה בהיכל,
לימא "בחצר אהל מועד יאכלוה"
כתוב,
ולא יהא טפל חמור מן העיקר?
ומתרצינן: ב
עבודה, דאדם עובד
עבודת רבו
במקום רבו
וכך הוא דרך ארץ,
אמרינן
בה
שלא יהא טפל חמור מן העיקר
, ואם יכול לעבוד בעזרה, ודאי שיכול לעבוד בהיכל, אבל
אכילה, שאין אדם אוכל במקום רבו
, שאין זה דרך ארץ, לא שייך הקל וחומר, ולכן
טעמא דכתב קרא"
בקדש הקדשים יאכלנו",
הא לא כתב קרא, לא יהא טפל חמור מן העיקר לא אמרינן.
איתמר, בללה
למנחה בשמן
חוץ לחומת עזרה, רבי יוחנן אמר פסולה, ריש לקיש אמר כשרה
26 .
ריש לקיש אמר כשרה
, מה טעמו,
דכתיב "ויצק עליה שמן ונתן עליה לבונה" והדר
כתוב "
והביאה אל בני אהרן הכהנים וקמץ"
\-
מקמיצה ואילך מצות כהונה, לימד על יציקה
דשמן
ובלילה שכשרין בזר,
ומדכהונה לא בעיא
ביציקה ובלילה, עשיה ב
פנים
העזרה
נמי לא בעיא
27 .
ורבי יוחנן אמר פסולה
, מה טעמו,
כיון דקדושת כלי היא
, שהרי עושה הבלילה בכלי שרת ,
נהי דכהונה לא בעיא
, עשיה
בפנים מיהת בעיא.
תניא כותיה דרבי יוחנן: בללה זר כשרה, חוץ לחומת העזרה
-
פסולה.
איתמר, מנחה שחסרה
אחר שנתנה בכלי
קודם קמיצה, רבי יוחנן אמר, יביא מתוך ביתו
כמה שנחסרה
וימלאנה, ריש לקיש
אמר לא יביא מתוך ביתו וימלאנה.
רבי יוחנן אמר מביא מתוך ביתו וימלאנה,
מה טעמו,
קמיצה קבעה לה
לכל המנחה יחד שאין יכול לשנות קצת ממנה ולהביא אחר תחתיה, אבל קודם קמיצה לא נקראת מנחה ולא סובר לדרוש הפסוק "מן המנחה - פרט לשחסרה" כדלקמן.
ריש לקיש אמר לא יביא מתוך ביתו וימלאנה
, מה טעמו,
קדושת כלי קבעה לה
לכל המנחה יחד לשם מנחה, ומעתה נפסלת מדרשת הפסוק "מן המנחה" - פרט לשחסרה.
איתיביה רבי יוחנן לריש לקיש: חסר הלוג
של שמן של מצורע, אם
עד שלא יצק
הכהן מן השמן על כפו השמאלית -
ימלאנו!
רואים מזה שלא אומרים דקדושת כלי, דהיינו הלוג שהוא כלי שרת קובעת אותה,
תיובתא!
איתמר, שיריים
של מנחה שנשארו בכלי אחר שקמץ,
שחסרו בין קמיצה להקטרה, רבי יוחנן אמר מקטיר קומץ עליהן
על שיריים אלו, דאין פוסל החסרון את הקומץ להקטרה,
וריש לקיש אמר אין מקטיר קומץ עליהן.
ואמרינן:
אליבא דרבי אליעזר כולי עלמא לא פליגי, כי פליגי אליבא דרבי יהושע, דתנן, נטמאו
כל
שיריה
של המנחה קודם הקטרת הקומץ, או
נשרפו שיריה
או
אבדו שיריה, כמדת רבי אליעזר
דאמר בזבח אף על פי שאבד הבשר זורק את הדם, אף המנחה
כשרה, כמדת רבי יהושע
דאמר אם אין בשר אין דם -
פסולה
, אם כן לרבי אליעזר שסובר בחסרו כל שיריה כשרה, כל שכן כאן שחסרה מקצתה שכשרה, אלא מחלוקתם לדברי רבי יהושע,
מאן דפסל
-
כרבי יהושע, ומאן דמכשר
סבר,
עד כאן לא אמר רבי יהושע התם, אלא דלא אשתיירו
כלל,
אבל היכא דאשתייר, אפילו רבי יהושע מודה.
דתניא, רבי יהושע אומר, כל הזבחים שבתורה שנשתייר מהם כזית בשר או כזית חלב, זורק את הדם
, שהרי הזריקה באה להתיר אכילת אדם ואכילת מזבח, וכאן יש אכילה, אבל אם נשאר
כחצי זית בשר
ו
כחצי זית חלב, אינו זורק את הדם
, כיון שאין שיעור אכילה, דאכילת אדם ואכילת מזבח לא מצטרפים,
וב
קרבן
עולה אפילו
נשאר
כחצי זית בשר וכחצי זית חלב
-
זורק את הדם, מפני שבעולה כולה כליל
וגם הבשר וגם החלב אכילת מזבח הם ולכך מצטרפים להשלים השיעור,
ובמנחה, אף על פי שכולה קיימת
-
לא יזרוק.
Translation
The verse states
“In the Holy of Holies you shall eat it” [The verse is speaking of eating offerings of the most sacred order, as it states at its beginning: “for all their sins and for all their guilt offerings.”] This indicates that the reference is to the Sanctuary, for if the reference were to the Temple courtyard, it is explicitly written: “In the courtyard of the Tent of Meeting they shall eat it.” 25.
And
if this reasoning is valid—that the subordinate may not be more stringent than the principal—
why do I need a verse
to teach that it may be eaten in the Sanctuary?
Let us say: “In the courtyard of the Tent of Meeting they shall eat it”
is written,
and the subordinate may not be more stringent than the principal?
“and an accessory cannot be subject to a stricter rule than the primary matter”?
And we answer:
With regard to service, a person serves
the service of his Master
in his Master’s place
and this is the proper conduct.
We say
with regard to it
that the subordinate may not be more stringent than the principal.
If one may serve in the courtyard, he certainly may serve in the Sanctuary. But
with regard to eating, since a person does not eat in his Master’s place
because this is not proper conduct, the kal va-chomer does not apply. Therefore,
the reason is that the verse states
“In the Holy of Holies you shall eat it”;
had the verse not stated this, we would not say that the subordinate may not be more stringent than the principal.
It was stated: If one mixed
a meal offering with oil
outside the wall of the courtyard, Rabbi Yohanan says it is invalid, and Reish Lakish says it is valid. 26.
Reish Lakish says it is valid.
What is his reason?
For it is written: “And he shall pour oil upon it and place frankincense upon it,” and afterward
it is written:
“And he shall bring it to the sons of Aaron, the priests, and he shall take a handful.” —
From the kemitza onward, it is a priestly mitzva; this teaches regarding the pouring
of oil
and the mixing, which are valid when performed by a non-priest.
And since priesthood is not required
for pouring and mixing, performing them
inside
the courtyard
is likewise not required. 27.
And Rabbi Yohanan says it is invalid.
What is his reason?
Since it is the sanctification of a vessel,
for he performs the mixing in a service vessel ,
although priesthood is not required,
the performance
must at least be performed inside.
It was taught in a beraita in accordance with Rabbi Yohanan: If a non-priest mixed it, it is valid; outside the wall of the courtyard —
it is invalid.
It was stated: With regard to a meal offering that became deficient
after it had been placed in a vessel,
before the kemitza, Rabbi Yohanan says: He shall bring from his house
as much as it became deficient
and replenish it; Reish Lakish
says: He shall not bring from his house and replenish it.
Rabbi Yohanan says: He brings from his house and replenishes it.
What is his reason?
The kemitza establishes it
as a single meal offering in its entirety, so that one cannot alter a portion of it and bring another portion in its place. But before the kemitza, it is not called a meal offering, and he does not expound the verse “from the meal offering”—excluding one that became deficient—as will be explained below.
Reish Lakish says: He shall not bring from his house and replenish it.
What is his reason?
The sanctification of the vessel establishes it
as a single meal offering in its entirety for the sake of a meal offering, and from that point it becomes invalidated by the exposition of the verse “from the meal offering”—excluding one that became deficient.
Rabbi Yohanan raised an objection to Reish Lakish: If the log
of oil of a leper became deficient,
before he poured
the priest some of the oil onto his left palm,
he shall replenish it!
This shows that we do not say that the sanctification of the vessel—that is, that the log is a service vessel—establishes it.
The refutation is conclusive!
Ḥazon Ish was uncertain whether Rabbi Yohanan and Resh Lakish also disagree regarding meal-offerings that are not subject to the taking of a handful, such as the high priest’s daily meal-offering and libation meal-offerings, in which there is no taking of a handful. Does Rabbi Yohanan maintain even in these cases that they are not established until the burning, or perhaps there is no dispute in this case, and even according to Rabbi Yohanan the vessel establishes them? The basis of the uncertainty is the explanation stated above by Tosafot: The law that a meal-offering does not become invalid by leaving its proper area until the taking of the handful applies only to meal-offerings from which a handful is taken. But meal-offerings from which no handful is taken become invalid even before that point. The apparent reason is that they are already considered sanctified for offering, like blood after it has been received. If so, with regard to establishing the meal-offering as well, it is established before the taking of the handful; or perhaps an actual act that establishes it is required. And Rabbi Yitzḥak Ze’ev discussed this matter and proved from Rambam’s words [Laws of Disqualified Consecrated Offerings, chapter 12, halakha 5], who wrote that if a libation meal-offering became deficient, one may fill it either before the sacrifice was offered or after the sacrifice was offered. This indicates that a deficient libation meal-offering can be filled, even though a libation meal-offering has no taking of a handful. Rambam ruled according to Rabbi Yohanan, who says that the taking of the handful establishes it, and it is therefore proven that the principle that the taking of the handful establishes it applies even to meal-offerings from which no handful is taken. And Tosafot raised the difficulty: how Resh Lakish could maintain that sanctification by a vessel establishes the offering. Did Resh Lakish not know the Mishna stating that a deficient log becomes invalid only after the pouring? Had an explicit Mishna escaped him? And Sefat Emet wrote an answer to Tosafot’s difficulty: Reish Lakish held that, since the law of deficiency is derived from verses, as will be explained below, if there is no verse teaching that deficiency invalidates the log, then the log has no disqualification of deficiency at all. Therefore, the law is that if it became deficient before the pouring, he replenishes it, because it has no disqualification of deficiency. The fact that it is explained that once he has poured he may not replenish it is based on the reasoning that, after the pouring has been performed, replenishing it is no longer applicable; but beforehand, since there is no verse, it remains valid. Thus Reish Lakish held that the law of the oil log does not constitute a conclusive contradiction to his ruling. Rather, the Gemara raised the difficulty because it implies from this that there is no disqualification of deficiency before the kemitza. Sefat Emet added that the Torat Kohanim presents a source indicating that deficiency also invalidates the log, proving that its law is like that of a meal offering. It is therefore possible to say that Reish Lakish did not know that this was derived from a verse; he therefore held that, as a matter of reasoning, it becomes invalid only after the pouring, and this does not contradict his fundamental ruling concerning a meal offering that became deficient before the kemitza. However, the Gemara raised the difficulty that the log is invalid by virtue of a law, rather than merely by reasoning. If so, we see that the kemitza establishes it.
It was stated: With regard to the remainder
of a meal offering that remained in the vessel after the kemitza,
if it became deficient between the kemitza and the burning, Rabbi Yohanan says: He burns the handful over it —
over this remainder, because the deficiency does not invalidate the handful for burning;
and Reish Lakish says: He does not burn the handful over it.
And we say:
According to Rabbi Eliezer, everyone agrees; they disagree according to Rabbi Yehoshua. For we learned: If
all
its remainder
of the meal offering became impure before the burning of the handful, or
its remainder was burned
or
its remainder was lost, in accordance with the measure of Rabbi Eliezer,
who says with regard to an animal sacrifice that even if the flesh was lost, he sprinkles the blood, so too with regard to the meal offering it is
valid, in accordance with the measure of Rabbi Yehoshua,
who says: “If there is no flesh, there is no blood”—
it is invalid .
Accordingly, according to Rabbi Eliezer, who holds that if all its remainder became deficient it remains valid, all the more so here, where only part of it became deficient, it remains valid. Their dispute is therefore according to Rabbi Yehoshua.
The one who deems it invalid
follows Rabbi Yehoshua, while the one who deems it valid
holds:
Rabbi Yehoshua stated that principle there only because nothing remained at all,
but
where something remained, even Rabbi Yehoshua agrees.
For it was taught in a beraita: Rabbi Yehoshua says: With regard to all the offerings in the Torah, if an olive-bulk of flesh or an olive-bulk of sacrificial fat remains, he sprinkles the blood,
since the sprinkling comes to permit the eating of a person and the eating of the altar, and here there is something to eat. But if
half an olive-bulk of flesh
and
half an olive-bulk of sacrificial fat remain, he does not sprinkle the blood,
since there is no measure sufficient for eating; the eating by a person and the eating by the altar do not combine.
And with regard to
a
burnt offering, even if
there remains
half an olive-bulk of flesh and half an olive-bulk of sacrificial fat—
he sprinkles the blood, because a burnt offering is entirely burned
and both the flesh and the fat constitute eating by the altar, and therefore they combine to complete the measure.
But with regard to a meal offering, although it remains entirely intact—
he may not sprinkle.