Menachot 104b (קד:) — the Talmud in English

They may not be sacrificed until he completes them to twelve liters, since there is a fixed measure for the libations. We do not say that eight liters should be offered for two rams and three liters for one lamb, or perhaps he intended an offering suitable for two rams and one lamb; however, his wording seems to indicate that he intends to offer the libations he vowed together with the offering for two rams and one lamb. This is incorrect, because the discussion concerns one who donates wine for libations separately; ;

We learned in the Mishna: They may donate wine, but they may not donate oil; this is the statement of Rabbi Akiva. Rabbi Tarfon says: They may donate oil: Rava said: From the statements of both of them [Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Tarfon] we learn: A person may donate a meal offering accompanying the libations every day,

Mishna:

One who says

“I take upon myself an issaron”

must bring

a meal-offering of one issaron,

one.

And if he says, “I take upon myself

issaronot,”

he must bring

a meal-offering of

two.

And if he comes and says: “

I specified

at the time of my vow how many issaronot,

but

now

I do not know what I specified,”

he must bring sixty issaronot,

and stipulate and say: “Whatever I specified shall be for my vow, and the remainder shall be a voluntary offering.” One who says,

“I take upon myself a meal-offering,”

but did not specify which of the five types of meal-offerings he is vowing to bring,

may bring whichever he wishes.

Rabbi Yehuda says:

He must bring a meal-offering of fine flour,

because

it is the distinctive one among the meal-offerings,

as the Gemara explains.

And if he says, “I take upon myself a

meal-offering,”

or

says, “I take upon myself a

type of meal-offering,”

he must bring

a meal-offering,

one,

according to the Sages, whichever he wishes, and according to Rabbi Yehuda, a meal-offering of fine flour.

And if he says, “I take upon myself

meal-offerings,”

or

says, “I take upon myself a

type of meal-offerings,”

And if he comes and says: “

he must bring two

meal-offerings of one type.

And if he comes and says: “I specified

at the time of my vow the type of meal-offering that I vowed to bring,

but

now

I do not know which one I specified,”

he must bring all five the five types of meal-offerings: fine flour, baked on a griddle, baked in a deep pan, baked in an oven as loaves, and baked in an oven as wafers].

but

And if he comes and says,

“I specified a meal-offering of issaronot” —

that is, at the time of my vow I specified, when I vowed to bring a particular meal-offering, how many issaronot that meal-offering would contain —

but

now

I do not know how many I specified,”

he must bring

a meal-offering of

sixty issaronot,

and stipulate and say: “Whatever I specified shall be for my vow, and the remainder shall be a voluntary offering.”

Rabbi says:

He is not adequately covered by bringing a single meal-offering of sixty issaronot; rather,

he must bring

sixty

meal-offerings of issaronot, from one through sixty one meal-offering of one issaron, the second of two, and so on until sixty].

Gemara:

We learned in the Mishna: “If one says, ‘I take upon myself an issaron,’ he must bring one; ‘issaronot,’ he must bring two; ‘I specified but do not know what I specified,’ he must bring sixty issaronot”:

And we raise a difficulty:

it is

obvious

!?

And we answer: It is the clause

“‘Issaronot,’ he must bring two”

that

was necessary.

The Gemara raises an objection to this:

This too is obvious,

for

the minimum number of issaronot is two!?

And we answer: It is the clause

“I specified”

that

was necessary.

We learned in the Mishna:

“I specified but do not know what I specified; he must bring sixty issaronot”:

At the end of the Mishna, the dispute between Rabbi and the Sages was explained concerning one who says, “I specified a meal-offering of issaronot, but I do not know how many I specified.” Rabbi disagrees with the Sages, who require him to bring only sixty issaronot, and he says: “He must bring meal-offerings of issaronot from one through sixty.” Therefore, we ask:

Which tanna is the tanna who requires, at the beginning of the Mishna, only sixty issaronot?

And Rabbi Yohanan said:

Ḥizkiya said:

The first clause is

not in accordance with Rabbi, for if

the first clause were

Rabbi’s

view,

did he not say at the end of the Mishna:

“He must bring meal-offerings of issaronot, from one through sixty”,

which is unlike what is stated here, that sixty issaronot are sufficient.

And Rabbi Yoḥanan said:

You may even say that it is Rabbi

who holds this view in the first clause, because the first clause is dealing

with

one who

says:

“I specified issaronot, but I did not designate them in a single vessel,”

so he brings sixty issaronot in sixty vessels he brings sixty issaronot in sixty vessels —

That is, even Rabbi disputes the Sages only when he must bring his entire meal-offering in one vessel and in the manner of the last clause, but Rabbi concedes that if he did not establish it in one vessel, in a manner in which he can bring each tenth-measure in a different vessel, he need not bring more than one tenth-measure for each vessel, and he stipulates that those tenth-measures that he vowed shall be for his obligation, and the rest for his freewill-offering. We learned in the Mishna:

That is, Rabbi disagrees with the Sages only when he must bring his entire meal-offering in a single vessel, as in the final clause

; but Rabbi concedes that if he did not designate them in a single vessel, in such a manner that he can bring each issaron in a different vessel, he need not bring more than one issaron per vessel, and he stipulates that those issaronot that he vowed shall be for his obligation, and the remainder for his voluntary offering. We learned in the Mishna:

“If one says, ‘I take upon myself a meal-offering, he may bring whichever he wishes’;

Rabbi Yehuda says: “He must bring a meal-offering of fine flour, which is the distinctive one among the meal-offerings”:

The tanna

in a beraita explains Rabbi Yehuda’s statement:

Since Scripture began with it

in the meal-offering of fine flour

first

of all the meal-offerings, therefore he must bring a meal-offering of fine flour. But from now on, if one says

“I take upon myself a burnt-offering,”

is the law that he

must bring one from cattle, since Scripture began with it !(pamud.bmp "

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first

of all the burnt-offerings!?

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