Moed Katan 22a — the Talmud in English

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the head of the household went to the cemetery

in order to bury the deceased, and returned —

what?

Is it because he delayed for the needs of burying the deceased that this is considered as though he had been at home, and the count of the days of his younger brothers accrues to him, or not?

Come and hear, for Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba said that Rabbi Yohanan said: Even if the head of the household went to the cemetery

and stayed there, and returned,

he counts together with them.

And we were astonished: If the head of the household went to bury the deceased, does he

count together with them?

And

after all,

was it not taught in a beraita: He counts for himself!?

And we answer:

This is not difficult.

This

that he counts together with them —

when he came within three,

for he returned from the burial within the first three days.

And this

that he counts for himself —

when he did not come,

for he did not return and come

within three

within three days, but afterward.

For this is what Rav said to the sons of Tzelafuni:

those who went to bury the deceased and returned,

those who came within three —

let them count together with you,

let them count seven days with you.

Those who did not come within three —

let them count for themselves,

from the day they returned from the burial.

The mitzva of mourning and the counting of the days of mourning begin with the closing of the grave. When is this said? With regard to the relatives of the deceased who accompany him to the cemetery. But if they bury the deceased in a distant place, and some of the relatives return from the funeral procession to their homes before the burial, their count of the days of mourning begins from the time they returned.

Rava said to the people of Mehoza: You,

you

who do not go after the bier,

for you do not go after the bier to accompany it until the burial, but go with it only a short way —

from the time you turn your faces back

from the time you turn your faces back

from the gate of the city

from inside the city gates,

begin counting,

begin counting the days of mourning, and you need not wait for the estimated time at which they will bury the deceased.

Rabbi Shimon says: Even if one comes

of the mourners

on the seventh day from a nearby place —

he counts

the seven days

together with them.

That is, he practices his mourning only for one day.

Rabbi Hiyya bar Gamda said that Rabbi Yosei ben Shaul said that Rabbi said: And this is when he came

on the seventh day

and

still

found comforters

sitting

with him,

with the mourner who had been at home.

But if the comforters had already risen from being with him, the counting of the seven days ended with that, in the morning, and this person who came now must count seven for himself.

Rav Anan asked:

If

the comforters stirred

themselves

to stand, but did not stand,

still, and the mourner who had not sat arrived —

what?

Is it considered that he arrived after the seven days, or is it still considered within the seven days, since they had not yet risen?

And we conclude:

teyku.

It was learned by tradition: the companion of Rabbi Abba bar Hiyya from Rabbi Abba—and who was he?

Rabbi Zeira; and some say, the companion of Rabbi Zeira from Rabbi Zeira—and who was he?

Rabbi Abba, son of Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba, said in the name of Rabbi Yohanan:

A.

The halakha is according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in

the laws of

animal defects.

B.

And the halakha is according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning.

And we explain: The halakha

according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning —

that which we said,

that even if the mourner arrived on the seventh day, he counts together with them.

And the halakha

according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in animal defects —

For we learned in a Mishna: If the intestines were perforated, and mucus seals them —

it is fit,

even though an ordinary perforation in the intestines renders an animal unfit,

the words of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel.

What is mucus?

What mucus is it that seals, whose sealing renders the animal fit?

Rav Kahana said: The intestinal secretion,

the moisture of the intestines,

that emerges through pressure,

which comes out while the intestines are being pressed.

A certain person said,

one man, who heard that they said in the name of Rabbi Zeira or in the name of Rabbi Abba, son of Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba, who lived in the Land of Israel, that the halakha is according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in animal defects and the halakha is according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning:

May I merit,

may I merit

and go up,

and ascend to the Land of Israel,

and learn this teaching

and learn this teaching

from the mouth of its master,

from the mouth of the very author of the teaching, Rabbi Zeira or Rabbi Abba, son of Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba.

When he went up,

when he went up to the Land of Israel,

he found him,

he found

Rabbi Abba, son of Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba.

He said to him,

the man who had ascended from Babylonia asked him: Is it indeed that

the Master said

that

the halakha is according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in animal defects?

He said to him: I — “

There is no halakha

according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel”

did I say!

And he further asked him: Regarding this which they say in your name, that the halakha is

according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning —

what,

is this indeed the halakha?

He said to him: It is a dispute!

For it was stated: Rav Hisda said: The halakha is

according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning,

and likewise Rabbi Yohanan said: The halakha is

according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning.

Whereas

Rav Nahman said: There is no halakha

according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning.

And

the conclusion of the matter:

A.

There is no halakha according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in animal defects.

B.

And the halakha is according to Rabbi Shimon in mourning.

Since

Shmuel said

that

the halakha follows the lenient opinion in mourning.

The Gemara now brings the law that we learned in a beraita in tractate Semahot [chapter 9]:

For all the dead alike,

if

he hastens the bier,

he hastens to take the bier of the deceased out for burial —

this is praiseworthy,

since one must bring him forward and bury him, for if he leaves him overnight he violates “Do not leave him overnight.”

But

for his father and for his mother,

if he hastens to bury them and does not wait until a large crowd gathers in their honor at the time of the funeral procession and burial —

this is disgraceful. .

канун Шабата или канун праздника и он поспешил похоронить их, — он достоин похвалы, поскольку тогда он делает это не

But if

it was the eve of Shabbat or the eve of a Festival

and he hastened to bury them —

this is praiseworthy, for

then

he does not do

the hastening to bury them

except for the honor of his father and mother.

For all the dead alike, if he wishes, he reduces his involvement

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reduce it.