Menachot 62b (סב:) — the Talmud in English

Rav Pappa said: Everyone agrees

that we derive

“derive from it and from it,” and this is the reason for Rabbi’s opinion: As there, so here. Just as there,

with the individual peace offerings, they wave

a matter that

is

given to a priest,

the breast and the thigh,

so here

they wave

a matter given to a priest;

but here, all of the festival peace offerings are given to the priest, and therefore they wave them in their entirety.

Ravina said: Everyone agrees that we derive from it and leave it in its context,

and therefore Rabbi holds that they wave them whole.

And this is the reason for the Rabbis’ opinion

that they wave only the breast and the thigh: It is written with regard to individual peace offerings, “their peace offerings,” in the plural;

it is an amplification,

teaching that with regard to public peace offerings as well, they wave their breast and thigh, but not all of them.

We learned in the Mishna:

Rabbi Shimon says: Three types require three matzot: two for each, and the third does not have them, and so on.

We raised a difficulty against it:

Let the sacrifices of individual peace offerings require waving while alive, by means of a kal va-chomer: If the sacrifices of public peace offerings, which do not require laying of hands while alive, require waving while alive, then with regard to the sacrifices of individual peace offerings, which do require laying of hands while alive, is it not all the more so that they should require waving while alive?!

And we answer:

The Merciful One excluded, with regard to the sacrifices of public peace offerings, “them”: Them

one waves,

to exclude the sacrifices of individual peace offerings

from waving.

We further raised a difficulty against it:

Let the sacrifices of public peace offerings require laying of hands by means of a kal va-chomer: If the sacrifices of individual peace offerings, which do not require waving while alive, require laying of hands, then with regard to the sacrifices of public peace offerings, which do require waving while alive, is it not all the more so that they should require laying of hands?

Ravina said: It is a received tradition

from Sinai that there are only

two instances of laying of hands involving the public

and no more: one is with the bull for an unwitting communal sin, and the second is with the scapegoat, as is explicitly explained. Therefore, there is no laying of hands with public peace offerings.

We further raised a difficulty against it:

Let the guilt offering of a leper require

waving

when it is

slaughtered, by means of a kal va-chomer: If the sacrifices of individual peace offerings, which do not require waving while alive, require waving after slaughter, then with regard to the guilt offering of a leper, which does require waving while alive, is it not all the more so that it should require waving after slaughter?!

And we answer:

The Merciful One excluded, with regard to the sacrifices of individual peace offerings, “it”;

the word

“it” serves to exclude the guilt offering of a leper

from waving after slaughter.

The Sages taught: If five people brought one offering—

one of them waves it on behalf of them all

[in place of them all].

And in the case of a woman—

a priest waves it on her behalf.

And similarly, one who sends his offerings from overseas—

a priest waves it on his behalf.